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Approximately 500 talented women have contributed work to Bill's Playhouse. This page honors the best of the best.

Hall of Fame models still working for Bill's Playhouse (from top to bottom):

Emvi Bardot,Karly Salinas,

Nadia White,Tracy Lix,Lydia Vengeance,

Autumn Bodell,Mia Annabella,Kim Chi,

Delirious Hunter,Tilly McReese,Crissy Chaos,

Rachel Adams,Alexia Ryan,Chloe,

Tara Tied,Caroline Pierce,Briella Jaden,

Datura,Tara,Gianna,Whitney Morgan,

Lavender,Nyssa Nevers,

Bella Ink,Kelli Lynn Sage,Loretta Vendetta,

Jane Doe,Nikki Doll,Ami Mercury,

Elaina,Pandora Jones,Hex,

Betty,Elizabeth Mars,Samantha,

Missy Heather,Constance,Kitty Kait,

Desiree,Kat,Fayth on Fire,

Debbie D,Donna,Scarlet,Christal.

A few kind words about each of these amazing ladies:

  Fayth on Fire is the first ever Bill's Playhouse model. She shot the very first BPH set in Florida as a custom set, before there ever was a Bill's Playhouse! One year later in June 2006, I had the great pleasure of meeting Fayth in person. That was the first time I photographed a set for Bill's Playhouse myself. Fayth has continued to submit work to my website every year since then as both a model and photographer. Fayth was the first ever BPH Model of the Year (in 2006), and appropriately is the first model inducted into the BPH Hall of Fame. Update-2019 was the 15th year in a row Fayth has submitted new material to my website (we are scheduled to shoot again in September 2020). There is no Bill's Playhouse without Fayth on Fire!

   One year later I met well known Scream Queen and horror actress Debbie D. We first worked together in the spring of 2007 and have worked together every year since then. Debbie is one of the nicest, kindest, and most professional people I have ever met, and is the only model to work with me personally FOURTEEN calender years in a row! Debbie has hosted numerous BPH shoots in her home in Philadelphia, referred several great models to my site, and is the only TWO TIME BPH Model of the Year winner (2015 and 2019). Just like Fayth, there is no Bill's Playhouse without Debbie D!

  Another excellent model from the great city of Philadelphia is Scarlet, who first worked with me in March of 2008. We couldn't get together for a few years after that, but since 2011 she has been absolutely brilliant. Scarlet is a very intense model and actress who always gives me a great shoot, and has brought some great models to Bill's Playhouse, most notably BPH Hall of Famers Audrey and Alexia Ryan.

     Donna first worked with me in the summer of 2008. Her great facial expressions and amazing blue eyes have made Donna one of the most sought after models for custom sets in BPH history. In addition to being a Hall of Famer, Donna was BPH Model of the Year in 2009. She and I have now worked together TEN years in a row. Donna has done countless sets for me with numerous models, many of whom are fellow BPH Hall of Famers (current and retired). I'm proud to say every one of those sets is a classic!

Samantha is one of many beautiful and talented ladies who worked with me for awhile before taking a break from modeling to concentrate on family life. Samantha is an experienced model and actress whose forte' is the stage (community theatre). We worked together regularly for five years (December 2008 to December 2013) then got together recently for the first BPH shoot of 2017. I'm happy to say the long layoff didn't affect Samantha at all. Welcome back to Bill's Playhouse my dear, and welcome to the BPH Hall of Fame!

   Christal's BPH debut was also in December 2008. Christal is another model who is always in high demand for custom sets. Her poses and facial expressions are outstanding! In addition Christal is a very creative lady with great passion, who has hosted countless photo shoots (including the first one of 2017), and has brought several great models to my site. You're an amazing lady Christal!

   December 2008 turned out to be quite a month for Bill's Playhouse. Crissy  Chaos made her BPH debut on December 5, 2008, then didn't work with me again until July 1,2012! That was it until September 28th, 2019, when Crissy made her return to Bill's Playhouse! That shoot (with BPH 2019 Best New Model winner Moninca Merlot) promoted Crissy from a BPH "Two-Fer" to a BPH Featured Model. Crissy would go on to shoot another three sets with me in the next six weeks, winning her the first ever Bill's Playhouse Comeback of the Year award, and qualifying Crissy for the BPH Hall of Fame! 

   When I started exploring this "interest" of mine on the internet (back in the 1990's) the first two women to catch my eye were Debbie D and Tina Krause. In 2007 Debbie D contacted me about working together,and Bill's Playhouse hasn't been the same since! In February of 2008 I had the great pleasure of shooting a set with both of these great ladies. I worked with Tina again in May 2009, then again in February 2011, and that was it until August 2020, when Debbie got me back together with Tina again! Tina now uses the name Tracy Lix-which is fine with me-because by any name, this great lady is a Bill's Playhouse Hall of Famer!

  Then there's Kat, who's BPH debut was in September 2009 (Labor Day weekend). In addition to being a Hall of Fame model, Kat has also contributed numerous sets as a photographer. In fact Kat has worked with over thirty different models for my site (the most in Bill's Playhouse history) and is one of only two models to work with me in three different states!

   Tara made her Bill's Playhouse debut in October 2009 with her two sisters (one is retired BPH Hall of Famer Erin). Tara-who had no previous modeling or acting experience before working with me-is an intense model with excellent acting skills, who always delivers amazing work. She is a gracious hostess who has hosted numerous models in countless shoots, and is always a lot of fun to work with.Thanks for everything Tara, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame!

    It had been a few years since I worked with Desiree, who made her BPH debut in December 2009. That was a memorable shoot indeed, in a go-go bar in central NewJersey that I had driven past hundreds of times previously, but never went inside until i met Dez! Desiree worked with me steadily in 2010 and was actually 2010 BPH Model of the Year. We worked together several times over the next few years, until our last shoot (for awhile) on New Years Eve (during the day) of 2013. Desiree has settled down to domestic life and also has a very demanding job, but I'm happy to say she came back strong in 2016, and she hasn't missed a beat! Welcome back Dez, Bill's Playhouse hasn't been the same without you!

     Now for the fun story of Lydia Vengeance,the only model that made her Bill's Playhouse debut in 2010 who is still working with me today-and that just happened recently! Lydia shot four great sets for me in 2010, then for one reason or another we didn't shoot again for almost ten years! But Lydia is back, looks better than ever,still does excellent work, and I'm happy to say is just as much fun to work with as I remember! Welcome back Lydia, and welcome to the BPH Hall of Fame!   

   Elaina's first shoot with me was on an unseasonably beautiful seventy degree day in March 2011. I was immediately impressed with Elaina's stunning good looks and her awesome talent. We have worked together many times since then, in several different locations in both New Jersey and Pennsylvania (Elaina is a Philly girl, like many of the great ladies on this page). Elaina has worked with no less than five BPH Hall of Fame models, and has held her own shot for shot every time. Now Elaina has earned her own place in the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Congrats Elaina!

   Kitty Kait first worked with me in the summer of 2011. Kait had a couple of friends who were already working with me at the time, both of whom were good models, but Kitty went on to outshine both of them! Kait has shot several great sets with quite a few excellent models since then (most of them BPH Hall of Famers), and every one is a classic!

   Korey (aka "Jane Doe") joined Bill's Playhouse right behind Kait. Korey is one of the most intense models I have ever worked with. She loves to use make up, props, and themes, and takes on charachters very well. Korey has taken a break from shooting the past few years to focus on family life, but promises to work with me again soon. I can't wait! Update-On April 13, 2018 Korey and I finally worked together after a five and a half year break. The photo on this page is from that shoot! Korey has since asked me to change her Bill's Playhouse name. She is now known as Jane Doe (her request).

   Pandora Jones made her Bill's Playhouse debut in November 2011, in a great shoot with Debbie D. Pandora (along with Debbie D.) is one of the few models I know who has done this type of work BEFORE I met her! Needless to say Pandora had no problem at all fitting right in at Bill's Playhouse, and has been doing outstanding work for me ever since. Pandora is one of the most passionate and energetic models I have ever worked with, and as such always delivers good work for me shoot after shoot, year after year. Welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame Pandora! You've earned it!

   Constance is a versatile and hard working traveling model who is always gracious enough to squeeze me into her busy schedule when visiting my part of the country.In fact Constance is the only model in BPH history to shoot a photoset in two different states in the same day! There are plenty of words to descibe Constance-all of them good of course-but the most accurate is fire cracker (that may be two words lol). This little ball of fire has it all-Good looks,great passion,brilliant talent, and an amazing attitude. Constance made her BPH debut in 2012 and is still working with me today. Welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame Constance. You're awesome, and we love you!

   The class of 2012 wouldn't be complete without Missy Heather. Missy is a brilliant horror actress who has recruited several of her co-stars to work for Bill's Playhouse-including BPH Hall of Famers Betty and Nikki Doll.  In fact Missy has what I call a "tree"-she has referred models to me, who in turn have referred other models to me, and those models have referred even more models, and so on etc. Missy is responsible for some of the best photosets in BPH history, many of which she has appeared in, and (due to numerous degrees of seperation) others she doesn't even know about!  Thank you Missy Heather for always doing everything right by being good looking, talented, passionate, and professional, and for always being a great friend to me and my website. Please know that the feeling is mutual.

   And of course there is Nikki Doll, who becomes the third model from the wonderful class of 2012 to be inducted into the BPH Hall of Fame. Nikki and I were on a very fast pace back in 2012, shooting five sets in four months, then life got in the way and unfortunately we weren't able to work together for a long time. Then after a five and a half year layoff, Nikki and I got together recently and shot an excellent custom set. I'm happy to say that Nikki Doll's work is as good as it ever was, and in fact, even better! Welcome back to Bill's Playhouse Nikki, and welcome to the Hall of Fame as well!

   Kelli Lynn Sage is the fourth model from the class of 2012 to be inducted into the BPH Hall of Fame. Like Nikki, Kelli and I worked together several times from September 2012 to April 2013, then Kelli relocated to another part of the country. I hadn't heard from Kelli in a long time, and actually inducted her into the BPH Hall of Fame 2 for "retired" Bill's Playhouse models, but was pleasantly surprised when Kelli contacted me and asked to work together again (of course I said yes!). We got together,shot another set, and now Kelli is not only back in Bill's Playhouse, she is a BPH Hall of Famer! The photo on this page is from our most recent shoot. Welcome back Kelli! 

   Sexy Briella Jaden is the fifth member of the class of 2012 to enter the BPH Hall of Fame. There seems to be a theme here with models from 2012, as Briella-same as Nikki and Kelli Lynn-took an extended absense from working with me too. In fact, Briella was a BPH One Hit Wonder for awhile, as our first shoot was early in 2012, then we didn't work together for over six years. But last fall (2018) Briella and I finally worked together in northern New Jersey, and Briella was no longer a One Hit Wonder! Briella has worked with me several times since then, and is now a member of the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Congrats Briella!

    I could talk about Caroline Pierce all day! Caroline is an accomplished model and actress who was doing this type of work (simulating crime scenes and acting out death scenes) years before I met her. In fact the websites that Caroline worked for were the inspiration for me starting this website! Caroline first worked for Bill's Playhouse via custom sets shot in both Las Vegas (by Tomiko) and Florida (by retired BPH Hall of Famer Kim Marvel). I finally had the pleasure of meeting and working with Caroline in December 2012 when we shot a set in PA with BPH Hall of Famer Debbie D. Caroline has also worked with me in New York, making her the only model in BPH history to appear in sets shot in four different states! Thank you Caroline for all of the great work you have contributed not only to my website, but for your brilliant work with DDG as well. It's an honor to have you in Bill's Playhouse! 

      Alexia Ryan is the seventh member of the class of 2012 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame! Alexia's BPH debut was in April 2012 with her good friend (BPH Hall of Famer) Scarlet, the first of four sets she would shoot with me in a five month period. Then for some reason we didn't see each other for over seven years (that's life in Bill's Playhouse lol), but we made up for it with another great shoot with Scarlet in eastern Pa, making Alexia eligable for the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame! Welcome back Alexia!

   Autumn Bodell has UN-retired! Autumn was a BPH Hall of Famer before announcing her retirement from modeling in 2018. However-luckily for us-Autumn's "retirement" was brief. Now Autumn is back where she belongs-in Bill's Playhouse-and becomes the EIGHTH member of the class of 2012 to enter (or in Autumn's case RE-enter!) the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Welcome back Autumn, we missed you! 

   Elizabeth Mars is the first member of the class of 2013 to be inducted into the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. She is yet another of my many gorgeous and talented "local models" from south Jersey. Elizabeth was referred to me back in 2013 by retired BPH Hall of Famer Jade. She is one of the few models in the history of my website to shoot two photosets with me in two different locations in the same day (one indoor, one outdoor). To date Elizabeth has worked with six BPH Hall of Famers, and has held her own in every set. Beautiful, quiet, and classy, Elizabeth is a very passionate actress who delivers a great performance in every shoot, whether playing victim or detective. Welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame Elizabeth!

   Loretta Vendetta is another great model from the class of 2013. I first worked with Loretta in October 2013 when she was living in Philadelphia (that's right-another Philly girl!). I was immediately impressed with Loretta's awesome acting skills, professional attitude, and great sense of humor,and of course her beautiful face and expressive eyes! We shot two more sets after that, both in Philly, before Loretta moved to another part of the country, forcing us to take a break from working together. But like several of the great ladies on this page, Loretta came back to me! She has recently returned to the area, is working with me again, and I'm happy to say her work is better than ever. Welcome back Loretta, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame!

   Tara Tied is the third member of the class of 2013 to enter the BPH Hall of Fame. Tara's first BPH shoot was in Yardley Pennsylvania with fellow Hall of Fame models Debbie D and Constance. I knew Tara was special that day, hanging in shot for shot with two of my best models! Tara has gone on to become one of only four models (BPH Hall of Famers Star Nine, Kat, and Jade are the other three) to shoot with me in three different states. It doesn't matter if we are in New York, New Jersey, or Pennsylvania, Tara Tied delivers! Tara is not only beautiful and very talented, but has a sweet,down to earth personality that makes it an absolute pleasure to work with her.I look forward to many more shoots with Tara in the future, maybe in even more states? Thanks Tara! 

      Betty is an experienced "horror actress" (as she refers to herself in the third person) who was referred to me by BPH Hall of Famer Missy Heather. Our first shoot was a memorable one on a freezing cold day in January of 2014. There was a foot of snow on the ground that day, but it quickly got very hot in Betty's house, as this little fire cracker blew me away with her talent, passion, and enthusiasm.In fact the photo on this page is from that shoot. Betty relishes any opportunity to show off her awesome acting skills, and treats every set we shoot like we are filming a horror movie or an episode of CSI. As such she puts everything she has into every shoot we do. Of course I am always grateful to work with such an amazing talent, and look forward to shooting high quality sets with Betty for years to come. Thanks Betty for always giving me everything you've got, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame! Update-Betty was 2017 BPH Model of the Year!

 And now for the heart warming story of Datura and her unlikely road to the BPH Hall of Fame. Datura is a hard working single mother of four who had no aspirations of ever becoming a model, until she saw my photos for the first time early in 2014 on one of the social media websites I was using at the time to promote my website. Datura sent me a direct message to let me know how much she loved my work, and was so kind in her lavish praise that I checked out her profile. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that Datura not only lived in my home state of New Jersey, but that she was also cute as Hell! I asked Datura to work with me and the rest is history. Datura made her BPH debut on March 30, 2014 (with fellow BPH Hall of Famers Missy Heather and Betty) and has been kicking ass for me ever since. It warms my heart to welcome this wonderful woman to "The Hall" (as Hall of Famer Nyssa Nevers calls it). Thank you Miss Datura for being one of the nicest, sweetest people I know. Please don't ever change, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame!

   Tilly McReese is back-in the BPH Hall of Fame that is! Tilly was a deserving Bill's Playhouse Hall of Famer (class of 2014),then told me she had decided to stop traveling (we live hundreds of miles from each other) which meant we couldn't work together any longer. Tilly was in the Hall of Fame 2 (for models retired from Bill's Playhouse) until beautiful and talented Cassandra Cain contacted me about working together. And oh by the way, she is traveling with Tilly McReese! And just like that on November 23, 2019 Tilly McReese returned to Bill's Playhouse. Welcome back Tilly!

   Jersey girl Hex is the first member of the class of 2015 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Much like the rest of the ladies on this page, Hex has it all-Good looks, talent, an excellent attitude and great passion. The photo at the top of the page is from our first shoot, which I knew would be a classic when Hex greeted me at the door in that beautiful red dress (red is my favorite color FYI). In fact every set Hex has done with me has been a classic, and we have only begun to scratch the surface. Congrats on the Hall of Fame Hex, deservidly so. I look forward to many more classic shoots in the future!

   Bella Ink is another great model who made her BPH debut in 2015. Talented, sexy, and a whole lot of fun to work with-Bella is a real bad ass with an awesome sense of humor-Bella's work has gotten consistently better with every shoot.Even though Bella lives thousands of miles away from me (she is based in Las Vegas and I'm in New Jersey) we shoot together whenever she tours the Northeast, and she delivers a knock out performance every time! I look forward to many more great shoots with you Bella. Thanks for all of your great work, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame!

    There is "cool" and there is "chill", then there is Ami Mercury! Quite frankly Ami is one of the nicest, warmest, and down to earth people I have ever met, which makes her an absolute pleasure to work with. But-sorry to say-it takes more than a great personality to become a Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame model. Like the rest of the ladies on this page, Ami is super talented and damn good looking, which is the what made her BPH Model of the Year in 2016, and now a deserving member of the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Congrats Ami, you're awesome!

  The story of how Lavender came to work with me is very interesting. I had a model who worked with me a few times that decided to retire from modeling and wanted her photos removed from my website. As compensation she offered to refer a model to me and pay for her first shoot. The model she referred to me is Lavender! I deleted the other models photos and in November 2015 Lavender made her BPH debut in a shoot with (now retried) BPH Hall of Famer Star Nine. Lavender has worked with me several times since and has been brilliant every time, earning her a well deserved place in the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. I'm happy to say I got the best of that exchange!

  Legendary fetish model Whitney Morgan becomes the fifth member of the class of 2015 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Whitney and I began following each other on social media back in 2012. After three years of corresopndence (kissing her ass!) Whitney agreed to work with me in Edison, New Jersey when she came here for a convention in November 2015 (the photo on this page is from that shoot). I'm happy to say that our relationship since then has been nothing short of fantastic! Whitney has worked with me every time she visits New Jersey. Not only is her work always excellent, but Whitney has referred several great models to me-most notably BPH Hall of Famer Nyssa Nevers-and has even photographed a set for me! Thank you Whitney for all your great contributions to Bill's Playhouse, and welcome to the BPH Hall of Fame!

   2015 was quite a year for Bill's Playhouse, as sexy Gianna Love becomes the SIXTH member of the class of 2015 to enter the BPH Hall of Fame! Gianna first worked with me in Philadelphia in August 2015, and since then has done everything from solo sets to sets with other models (including BPH Hall of Famers Debbie D and Carmine), to custom sets and even an excellent RP session! Gianna's work was always great, but in our last shoot with Dolce Vandela at Exxxotica 2018 in Edison NJ Gianna took it to another level! The photo on this page is from that shoot. Congrats on becoming a Bill's Playhouse Hall of Famer Gianna, you earned it!

  Gorgeous Nadia White is lucky model number seven from the class of 2015 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Nadia is the perfect Bill's Playhouse model-beautiful,sexy,smart,funny, and super talented. Her first shoot with me was in July 2015 at the infamous BPH Hotel (the photo on this page is from that shoot) and has been kicking ass ever since. In addition to being an accomplished model and actress, Nadia is also an award winning competitve eater! There is nothing this pretty lady can't do. Congratulations Nadia on joiing your friends Nyssa Nevers and Whitney Morgan in the BPH Hall of Fame, and please keep up the great work!

    In June 2016 I worked with Nyssa Nevers for the first time. Nyssa has no weaknesses as a model-she's gorgeous, very talented, is totally professional, and in addition has a great sense of humor. Nyssa is the total package! Nyssa is also the most enthusiastic model I have ever worked with when it comes to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame (she refers to it as "The Hall"). Well now you are in Nyssa, congrats! Welcome to The Hall!

      Multi talented   model/actress/wrestler/martial arts master Chloe is the first member of the class of 2017 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Chloe was referred to me by fellow photographer and producer Ed Boyle from Philadelphia early in 2017. When Chloe and I agreed to work together, she hit the ground running, shooting eleven photo sets with me in two years, in north, south and central New Jersey, and Philadelphia too! Five different BPH Hall of Famers have appeared in those sets, and Chloe matched every one of them shot for shot, which was a big reason Chloe was co winner of the 2018 Bill's Playhouse Model of the Year award (she shared it with BPH Hall of Famer Pandora Jones). Chloe is not only talented and very good looking, but also smart, funny, and tough (she has a black belt in judo and has won several tournament championships). Thank you Chloe for all of the great work you have done with me so far. I look forward to  more of the same in the future. Dare I say we have only scratched the surface? 

    You won't find too many models easier to work with than Rachel Adams.Natural, girl next door good looks coupled with the passion,talent, and versatility of an experienced model  are a winning combination. In addition Rachel is totally professional with a refreshing down to earth demeanor. Rachel's first shoot with me was in June 2017, making her the second member of the class of 2017 to join the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Thanks for all of the excellent work you have done for me so far Rachel. I look forward to many more great shoots in the future. Congrats!

   Mia Annabella is a literal ball of fire! I was immediately impressed with Mia when we first worked together in downtown Philadlephia in November 2017. Great passion and crazy energy exudes from Mia's little 5 ft body. Whether it's wrestling, modeling, acting, or anything else, Mia puts everything she has into her work.  Thanks Mia for all of your great work with me so far, and welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame! 

   Delirious Hunter has no weaknesses as a model. Extreme talent, versatility, stunning good looks, and a totally professional attitude make Del (as her friends call her) the perfect Bill's Playhouse model! As such Del is the first member of the class of 2018 to enter the BPH Hall of Fame.So far Del has worked with (among others) fellow BPH Hall of Famers Whitney Morgan,Donna, Debbie D, and Pandora Jones, and has more than held her own with every one of them. Thanks a million Del for all of the great work you have contributed to this website so far. I look forward to many more great shoots in the future.Welcome to the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame my dear!

    And then there's Kim Chi! I was very impresssed with Kim when she first worked with me in July 2018 with her good friend, BPH Hall of Famer Chloe. Kim's combination of energy, talent, good looks, and great sense of humor make her the perfect Bill's Playhouse model. Congrats Kim! 

   Beautiful and super talented Karly Salinas becomes the third member of the class of 2018 to enter the Bill's Playhouse Hall of Fame. Karly's BPH debut was in October 2018, a two hour shoot at the BPH Hotel in Princeton. Karly debuted with two heavyweights that night-BPH Hall of Famer Desiree for the first hour, then amazingly talented Pepper Kester joined us for the second hour. All three ladies were brilliant-Karly matched them shot for shot-resulting in a spectacular set that would win the 2018 BPH award for Photo Set of the Year! Every set Karly has shot with me since then has been a classic, including our most recent set with BPH Featured Model Indica-which also has Photo Set of the Year potential! Thanks Karly for always making time for me when you visit the Northeast (we live two thousand miles apart), and for delivering exceptional work every time! 

    2018 is turning out to be another great year for Bill's Playhouse, as one of a kind model Emvi Bardot becomes the fourth great lady from the class of 2018 to enter the BPH Hall of Fame! Emvi made her BPH debut in April 2018 with fellow BPH Hall of Famer Loretta Vendetta and has been kicking ass ever since. In addition to being beautiful and extremely talented, Emvi is very professional and always a pleasure to work with. Although Emvi relocated in 2019 and does not live as close to me as she used to, we still find time to work together as often as possible. I look forward to working with Emvi for a long time!